Ok, so I am interviewing you because you are someone who has actually used some of the Black Dragon Ninjitsu methods in real life. You have been involved in Security for Seasonal Outdoor event, a Water Protector and I believe even involved in the Historical Ninjutsu Research Group on Facebook.
So lets start, with a few introductory questions and move on from there.
Lets begin with your martial arts background, what got you interested in martial arts?
When I was in Middle School and High School I used to read Black Belt Magazine. But it wasn't until I was in Chillicothe and came across Don Madden's dojo, it was then that I got interested in Karate, Jujitsu, and Aikido. I used to walk 4 miles to and from the dojo and to pay for some of my classes I used to to do clean up and do yard work for Don.
So Don Madden taught all three?
That is true he used to teach all three I don't know if he still is. I know that his daughter is teaching Jiu-Jitsu now and I think someone else is teaching the Aikido classes I don't know about the karate anymore.
You pretty much started off with a well rounded idea of mixing Striking & Grappling from your first Dojo then?
You can say that but I do my best to avoid grappling.
And of course what is your martial arts background?
Mainly jujitsu, Systema, and Guided Chaos. I read and studied many works by Steven K Hayes, Masaaki Hatsumi, Ashida Kim, you Ron Collins and Anthony Cummins. So have a pretty good understanding of the Shinobi Arts. Mind you the names are listed in the order in which I got the books.
Guided Chaos, what is that? I have never heard of it.
Guided chaos is built off of War II combatives and Native American wrestling known as catch-as-catch-can as well as a few other things.
Now your Security work is pretty interesting, care to talk about that?
So my father owned security and private investigation company and was parterned with another for over 20 years. In that time I received quite a bit of security training and I also worked off and on as a bouncer.
But, you have also worked running security for a season festival with hundreds of people to?
Actually that was in the many thousands , most of my work involved making sure people didn't sneak in.
So in being a bouncer and having worked in security like that, how much attention do you pay to body language and such "on the clock?"
I pay a lot of attention to body language.
In fact, what do you look for when trying to assess a potential threat?
Things I look for or sudden fast movements large gross gestures. Examples would be people pointing at other people, pointing to the ground, pointing to somewhere else. I also tend to pay attention to the size of people. A lot of my problems don't come from big people but from people who suffer from the little man syndrome. It's not so much size as in physical but with presence size and how they act.
And were have you used Ninjutsu in that area and, how?
Stealth moving, camouflage, Shadowing someone, and I've used pyrotechnics for scaring off people. Martial arts for disarming a few people and restraining others. So how quite to say it but, "verbal jujitsu" to diffuse situations and control them.
I think Verbal Jujitsu is a better term then Ninja Mind Control but, I like the mind control term because its so overly dramatic and comical that most people won't take it serious. That said what if any methods of Black Dragon Ninjitsu in that regard did you use? You don't have to use the specific Japanese terms just a rough description will do...
Don't really remember the term exactly but I'll explain one of my tools. I use the mnemonic Flags it stands for fear, lust, anger, greed, and saftey. These are things that will motivate people and can be used to manipulate people. Also emotional states can help an example would be if I see someone crying it's a good chance that they are sad sadness usually results in something being lost. So revolving my conversation around finding out what is lost helps resolve that.
So one of my more memorable moments in Oceti dealt with a person up on the sacred Mounds. One of the jobs of security and the Akicita was to keep people off of sacred site areas. Well there was a person I needed to ask to get off of the Sacred Mounds. So how I usually do this is this I will start praying silently and walk up to them them and politely ask them to not be there. When I did this with this person that person started to call me names cussed me out and called me dapl. I just kept my distance and maintain my presence, finally that person told me that I was lucky they were leaving. To which I replied if you want to do me harm I'll let you I won't even raise my hands. It was at this point the person realized that they had just become everything they just called me. And I could see it in the body language because that person's shoulders dropped their head dropped and they walked away silently without another word.
You mentioned Stealth Movement and Camouflage, what Stealth Movement and Camouflage techniques did you use as a Water Protector?
Mainly staying to the Shadows, walking silently, and avoiding being seen while doing recon on dapl. There are other things we employed but I am not going to discuss them here.
What are your thoughts on the newest Pipeline leak in the Key Stone pipeline after have been a water protector?
It's absolutely horrific that oil is going to poison the water permanently. What most people don't realize is that oil seeped down into the ground to the water table they'll only clean up the surface. So all those chemicals are in a water tabpe that will seep into the surrounding areas water supply also the initial area will be saturated and will eventually end up in the food that's grown there. They say they'll do a thorough job but when was the last time you ever seen a Corporation actually do what it says?
Well to answer your question, when political pressure has been leveraged against them. We seen something similar with the Civil Rights Movements of the 1960s, my own state has a history of similar movements to provide Coal Miners with the same labor rights as factory workers.
More importantly, you were trying to protect the water table which, I am no expert but, my unserstanding is that those chemicals will effect the Standing Rock Suix first and spread out to effect surrounding areas. It would get into our crops and even the cattle grazing on them before getting ingested by us. Was that your understanding?
Yes and as we can see with the newest spill and its After Effects we will be proven we were right from the beginning.
I realize we can't get into to many specifics due to the Operational Security of Water Protectors but, you did employ a mix of Black Dragon and Historical Ninjutsu in your security plan?
I would say I used the few the black dragon ninjutsu skills, not so much on the historical.
And what can share about what you used in regards to elements used as a Water Protector?
Pad and paper, Street medic skills training, organize direct action skills trianing, Shields, helmets, armor, padded clothing, rain gear, ear plugs, gas masks, eye protection, and prayers lots and lots of prayers.
I get all the protective gear elements but, pad and paper? Why was paper so important?
It was important because it was how we recorded information and passed information on easily. Examples of things like license plate numbers, vehicle descriptions, descriptions of people, incident reports Etc.
Now you mentioned Street Medic skills, what is that?
A street medic is a person who by staying within the boundaries of law provide Health Care to those in need both in actions and in their own communities. Street Medics do this by working a lot with herbs because herbs count as food supplements and not medicine. Street Medics evolved out of the civil rights movement due to the fact that they had need for medical attention during their actions and knew they wouldn't get any from anywhere else easily so they had to do it them selves. With a online search of Street medic manual you can find more information and the history of Street medics.
So you actually found some value in the Ninjutsu intelligence gathering methods I teach?
They fall in line with what I know from my work in security so yeah.
Ok, enough shameless plugs... Isn't there another Water Protector situation occurring at another location? Is there any advise you would like to give those other Water Protectors?
Yes currently line 3 in Minnesota is starting to heat up. Soon the kxl is going to be going active as it's got its approval.
I was speaking of the Water Protectors out in Montana, so there are two separate events like what was seen at your action?
Could you please clarify I'm not exactly understanding what you're asking.
I just wanted to clarify that there are two more oil pipelines coming through treatied lands and/or also a threat to the water supply in those areas. So what was your experience as a Water Protector?
That's not an easy question to answer.
Well then let me ask an easier question, Would say your experience was good or bad?
It was a mix of good and bad but overall a good experience.
Was it worth it, knowing what you know now?
Very much so I would do it again in a heartbeat without a second thought.
Did you sustain any injuries while Protesting the Keystone Pipeline?
Yes I sustained quite a few injuries, they include abrasions, bruises, cuts, minor fractures and few minor burns, these injuries came from camp life and attacks from agitators.
The "other guys," we will get into who the "other guys" were later, were using rubber bullets, pepper spray, tasers and water cannons in low temperatures, right?
Yes and in low temperatures less-than-lethal can do serious bodily injury up to and including killing someone. We were very lucky to not have any fatalities while we were out there. But we did have to deal with a lot of very serious injuries broken bones, shot out eyes Etc.
Now the tribal leaders didn't want the protesters to have or use weapons correct? You were basically unable to defend yourself from those assaults?
The the elders told us no alcohol no drugs no firearms. It was it was Securities job and the Akicita to do their best to make sure those things didn't end up in Camp. We were allowed to use flak jackets body armor Shields and clothing. So yes we had little to defend ourselves with.
Do you believe that if you support one, for lack of a better term, "anti-government group" you should support them all?
No I don't, some groups use tactics I don't agree with.
Did the Water Protectors being non-violent have anything do with your supporting them? No... Wait, joining them would be the correct term, was the use of non-violence a part of why you became one?
It had a very great part and why I joined it started when I started seeing Medics get targeted. My thought was if you're going to beat on someone and shoot someone might as well be me, not someone trying to help someone else.
What is opinion of those actions, that it seems that, the government is trying to divide us as a people? Like for example that if you are pro-police you are anti-civil rights or, that if you are pro-liberty you have to be anti-cop... Can a person be pro-police and pro-civil rights? Such as, support the cops for protecting is from criminals and, not supporting those officers who violate any individuals rights?
At one time I might have agreed that yes you could be procop and civil rights, but of late I don't think so anymore there may have been a time, but not anymore. I agree with more and more with not supporting cops because the history of law enforcement is directly tied to human oppression. So now I don't think you can be procop civil rights.
Yeah, my own experiences have had a similar effect on my own outlook as well... I can support individual "good cops" for doing the right thing but, I can't support "law enforcement" as a whole. Especially, after seeing cops using informants and snitches to catch other people and, allow those informants to commit crimes against innocent people. Not even addressing all the times harassed or, had false charges brought on me for exposing corruption in the first place.
I agree corruption in law enforcement is at an all-time high and is continuing to grow. You can see this in the level of police brutality as well as how Justice deals with indiscretions with police.
Now I mention this because during your time as a Water Protector, wasn't the police who were on Sovergn Tribal Land defending a private corporation's oil pipeline? And what kind of actions did these police officers take, against you protesters?
No it was Private Security, Morgan County Sheriff's department, and BIA and yes they were actively protecting a company that was violating the law.
At some point all of these things were used in one way or another. Shields, body armor, riot gear, assault rifles, shotguns, semi-automatic pistols, revolvers, ballistic helmets, night vision, FLIR, IR lights, Stadium lights, constantina wire, concrete Jersey walls, batons, tasers, Stingers gernades, concussion grenades, flash bangs gernades, water cannons, lrad, pepper spray, and tear gas, some new gas was used out there, some people got nauseous, others got loopy and lightheaded. Not to mention aerial planes and helicopters using Stingray devices to block radio transmissions and cell service. Land Vehicles included buses for Mass arrests military vehicles for transportation and carrying of firearms, standard law enforcement vehicles, SUV style law enforcement vehicles, pickup truck 4 wheel drive style law enforcement vehicles, as well as many civilian style vehicles, snowmobiles for snatching grabs, construction equipment vehicles for creating building and moving barricades.
Hold on, the BIA is what?
Bureau of Indian Affairs.
So a federal agency was supporting a private company?
Yes more than one.
Now just to be clear, this all happened before Trump of elected. And, I feel, I have to point this out to people because, it was the Democrat President who had a say over the BIA and didn't defend the rights of the Standing Rock Suix over a corporation. If a Democrat President is defending a corporation what makes anyone think, Democrats are better then Republicans or Republicans any better then Democrats? Personally, I think its a great example of why John Adams was against the formation of political parties and, the pay to play nature of politics...
You're not alone in that view. I don't get into politics. I'm an anarchist and I will always be one. Anytime you put a government in charge you are basically saying I consent to someone else's rule whether they do a good job or a poor one. More often than not it's going to be a poor one. I just feel it's easier that when you see a problem at a local level that you gather people together make a decision and deal with the problem why do we need some oversight agency?
Now just to be clear about everything, there were US Military Veterans who came out & took action with you, correct? It wasn't just a bunch of anti-establishment protesters it was people who all believe in the US Constitution and Bill of Rights?
That is correct approximately 5,000 US veterans came out.
What did the Tribal Elders and Tribal Council think of the Protesters? They supported your actions?
From the elders that I spoke with they supported the actions of the water protectors to the end at Standing Rock. I would like to point out that Standing Rock wasn't the actual name the camp was Oceti Sakowin, we just called it oceti. In the beginning the tribal council supported us greatly at the end we were sold out by Dapl Apple Dave.
I am gonna keep referring to it as Standing Rock because that is the name people like myself who followed it online are more familiar with.
That's fine I was just clearing it up for people. I just wanted people to understand that's where the fight was was not on Standing Rock. It started there in sacred stone camp. Then overflowed onto the banks which became Rosebud camp and then across the river which became Oceti. But the pipeline was only on treaty land not Standing Rock so a lot of staging occurred in Standing Rock. If that pipeline breaks it affects the whole standing Rock reservation and everyone Downstream.
Now there where reports of the Water Protectors being used by the Tribal Council to get a stronger pay off from the Oil Company, to your knowledge is any of that true or partly true?
I cannot confirm that, but my personal opinion is I think something like that did go down.
Well Oath Keepers which is a Veteran started organization which supports our Oath to Uphold and Defend the Constitution broke the story... The link is here (https://www.oathkeepers.org/protesting-standing-rock-may-helping-george-soros/) if you are interested... You don't have to read it but, I would love to hear your thoughts on it, if you do?
I'll go read it but I don't know how much good I'll have to say about it because I have very little faith in Oath keepers. So after reading it I still maintain my view I said before I don't have a lot of faith in Oath Keepers and there's a lot of deception falsehoods in that article and it's just propaganda for the corporations.
What do you think that the new batch of Water Protectors in Montana may be exploited or, will be? And if so in what way?
If they do it's going to be pretty hard they learned a lot from Oceti. You're always going to have somebody trying to pick up Goods or money by saying "hey help this group" so it is possible abuses could happen.
During the times you were involved in the protests, did you suffer any injuries? Or, did you see how others suffered some injuries? Were there times you was afraid for your life?
Yes I suffered a few mainly illnesses, Cuts, bruises, Burns, and other related injuries. From what I saw there are some major injuries such as broken bones, Burns both chemical and physical, severe lacerations, and eyes shot out.
Were there times you was afraid for your life?
No I don't think I ever had that fear when I was out there, now in South Dakota it's a bit of a different story. You have to understand that the reservation that I was on I basically had no rights. So let me lay it out for you if a tribal member attacked another Tribal member on tribal land there is a protocol for handling that legally. If a non tribal member was to attack a tribal member on tribal land there's a protocol for that as well legally. However if a tribal person was to attack a non-tribal person on tribal land the protocol falls into the non-tribal number. What this means is they won't collect evidence or anything to Aid the non-tribal member so even if it was to actually make it into a court of law there would be no evidence to deal with the tribal member. The only way that I could prove anything was if I recorded it on video camera which I did many times. Which led to the situation in which I was attacked and my phone was stolen to get rid of all evidence I'd ever collected while I was in Camp on that reservation.
We know and saw the images of the Police using Dogs, Water Cannons and Pepper Spray on Standing Rock Protesters but, did they ever try to use any psychological warfare methods on you and, if so what were they?
Yes they did they would do constant flyovers night and day with and without light sometimes at night. They would do patrols on snowmobiles and chasing, harassing, and snatch and grabs day and night. Not to mention the false propaganda media that was just flowed in the mainstream media. Not to mention the wall of Lights that you could just see from one end to the other end of the line, mind you it was about a mile long.
Now you mentioned Snatch and Grab before; for those who don't know its a more politically term for kidnapping, are you telling me Police officers obducted protesters?
Yes it happened quite a few times in Oceti.
Where those taken ever released or, at least, charged with anything?
Some got released but all had charges leveled on them some of them have been dropped. However there has been a movement in which after the charges are dropped more severe charges are leveled. Also ethnic demographics seem to play a big role in who gets what and who has charges dropped sooner.
What steps did you take and, I don't want to compromise any Security here for anyone, to combat some of these methods? I know they were spying on you guys during the Protests.
Earplugs helped a lot. Mainly are fact check in and double check in and triple check in to make sure our information was accurate also was a big help. There are a lot of false flags and rumors and this person said stuff that went on a lot. Weenie we had spies in the camp we even knew people were letting them in when you got over 5,000 to 10,000 people in a camp it's really hard to keep out spies. One of the worst infiltrators in any movement is yourself, I know it sounds really funny but you get to the point of paranoia where you see everybody as an agitator or infiltrator. Therefore you're the worst agitator you're the worst infiltrator because you're disrupting the system because you believe something that isn't true, or may not be true, or could be true.
So, it no doubt takes a good bit of self-discipline, to not psych yourself out. I am sure you have walked away with new understanding of how pressure and constant state of heightened awareness can wear you down. You probably find it a lot easier to connect with people, like veterans, who don't have that experience?
Don't you mean have that experience and yes I do tend to connect better with veterans even though I've never seen a Battlefield. But I have seen battle so yes I do relate better with vets.
What do you want tell people about Standing Rock and, what you experienced?
Again Oceti not standingrock. See the real fight was on the treaty land not the reservation which is standing Rock. That said I really don't want to tell anybody anything about what I experienced out there you would have had to been there understand. But the whole reason we are fighting the way we are is because if we don't there is no future for Earth it'll only take a few hundred years for this to all end.
Well just to be an asshole, sorry but, I don't think we can save the Earth by whats happened at Oceti, we have no control over other counties like China & India. That said, we aren't talking about the whole Earth, we are talking about a major ecological threat here in the American heartland?
I disagree we had Chinese Nationals we had people from India we had people from the Middle East we had people from all over the world and what most people don't realize is that these places have indigenous First Nation people too. This was a indigenous movement to start with it started with the youth and women. My taking the concepts and ideas and ideologies back home we can keep the water fight going and it grows and eventually we save the planet.
How do you feel about the Federal Court ruling in your favor?
It helps but for how long. More importantly what are they going to do about all the law violations these companies! North Dakota, and the United States government took?
They will tell you to sue the government and its a civil matter... That's to textbook response, anyway.
And that there lies the problem. There is no one actually held accountable and that needs to change.
This is pretty unique, in that for the first time in a long while the Various Tribes have stopd up against the Federal Government and stood together. Do you believe we will see a more organised and, collectively more political action coming from the Native American tribal governments in the US?
Actually I'm pretty sure that it is the first time in history this has happened, in fact it was approximately 600 tribes came together. There will always be water fights in the United States for a very long time and the Indigenous First Nation people are going to continue to stand up and fight. They have told me many times that they would. That they've always been fighting for grandmother Earth.
I, for one, am glad to see it, I don't believe in man made climate change but, I do believe we are poisoning our air and water... Here in West Virginia we are fighting a similar battle with natural gas and coal companies but, our whole state economy is based on it... I think the same is true for the US and oil and ultimately, there are no easy answers but, there are wrong answers?
It's true but it's also deceiving, there are many options that can be done just by doing research and DIY work. We can get off of oil with no problem the real problem comes with the fact that it's the corporations that will suffer as they don't want to lose their dollar or their power control.
Also I think this is the first truly major Treaty Violation in decades, maybe a century since the old days of "Westward Expansion" or, Militarized Conquest and Settlement depending on your outlook.
There hasn't been one treaty that hasn't been violated.
Now in full disclosure, I have been seeing the same online trolls popping up here and there, after they got played by myself and the Other ground forum over at MixedMartialArts.com since I announced this interview. And I suspect they will soon start stalking and baggering you as well, a great example of this how Phil Elmore starting misrepresenting Icy Mike's statements and blogging about him. So in light of that does it make being associated with Black Dragon Ninjitsu a bit intimidating?
For some yeah it could be quite intimidating, for me not really I'm kind of used to being a black Sheep and the underdog. Wouldn't be my first rodeo.
Well they can't do anything worse then what you've already endured. With that said, I am proud of you & what you did... Thank you & the other water protectors.
Now you do have a unique nickname, 9 tails... Is that a Naruto Reference? Where did you get it?
No it's not a reference to Naruto or Pokemon. It is however a reference to Japanese Kitsune. Has more to do with tricksters and trickster personas. Also the fact that I write it with the number 9 has significance as the number 9 mean 0 and all numbers so it is in fact the Alpha Omega.
I guess that concludes the interview, thank you for Standing up to Protect the Nation's Water Supply and this Interview is there anything you would like say?
Note: This story highlights the same trials issues that William Williams faced as a water protector.
Note: This story highlights the same trials issues that William Williams faced as a water protector.